Poland v UAE 25/09/96 is one of those tricky ones. It's official for the UAE and listed by FIFA as a full international. The Polish F.A., however, does not consider it a full international, and labelled the team as a Polish FA XI, rather than the national team.
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Erick Ouma (Player) | National Football Teams
According to these sources Ouma Otieno hasn't made his international debut vs Tanzania (1:1). It actually hapenned 2 days later in the game against Sudan (1:1).
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I understand the trickiness of deciding which matches should be on here or not. I knew Denmark & Poland both played 'league' sides in the matches I've posted, my only argument is if FIFA recognise them, then I can't see how we'd question the legitimacy of them.
Anyway, another UAE match to work out here... Source: 11v11.
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According to these sources Ouma Otieno hasn't made his international debut vs Tanzania (1:1). It actually hapenned 2 days later in the game against Sudan (1:1).
https://www.binzubeiry.co.tz/2016/05/haramb…e-na-taifa.html
I would be carefully here, it always can happen that a substitution such as Erick Ouma for Eric Johanna in the 81' minute (together with a 2nd substitution) goes forgotten/unnoticed. I am quite sure here on NFT are many, many forgotten/unnoticed substitutions as well. I could imagine that this was the case in the match reports of your 1st and 3rd source, not knowing exactly what was their source.
When your 2nd source mentions "The coach handed first team debuts to Gor Mahia youngster Eric ‘Marcelo’ Ouma", it doesn't come clear to me if his starting debut was meant (he was a late sub two days before) or if this article which was a summary of the AfCoN qualifiers preparation did refer to both games in which "The coach handed first team debuts to Gor Mahia youngster Eric ‘Marcelo’ Ouma".
So in general, if we have some sources listing subs and others don't, I would always believe in the subs having took place until we can reliable exclude the possibilities. In this case it would be footage like a video showing Eric Johanna still on the field after 82 minutes, or at best showing the entire 11 players on the field after 82 minutes. -
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3 more additions for Hassan Khalid Al-Haydos:
Indonesia v Qatar 2011-10-11. Source: FIFA
Qatar v Indonesia 2011-11-11. Source: FIFA
Qatar v Kyrgyzstan 2018-12-25. Source: ESPN
Thank you! The last one was marked as complete by us, but had no info except the goalscorer. So a really good find.
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My personal belief is that the national federations decide upon the validity of the game,rather than FIFA. Particularly noticeable in the case of Edwardian England games. FIFA claims that the matches of the England Amateur XI against other European sides are full internationals. This is plainly not the case as far as England are concerned.
It is really difficult, and no system makes complete sense. We could add the USA vs Denmark League match as a Non-Fifa game for the US, but I would include it for Denmark.
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Display MoreA few additions for UAE. Apologies as these will require some decoding as to the exact players involved:
United Arab Emirates v Iceland 1992-03-02
UAE team is provided by UEFA.
United Arab Emirates v Morocco 1996-03-26
UAE team is provided by 11v11.
New addition for 1996: Poland v United Arab Emirates 1996-09-25
Both teams provided by 11v11.
So I looked at the first game (against iceland), andadded some players, but of course I cannot know who the two Mohameds and the two Mubaraks are.
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United Arab Emirates v Morocco 1996-03-26
UAE team is provided by 11v11.
New addition for 1996: Poland v United Arab Emirates 1996-09-25
Both teams provided by 11v11.
I added a few players for the game against Morocco. Could not identify the others.
The game against Poland is unofficial for Poland. Not sure about the status of that match at all, maybe other people here can help out.
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Poland v UAE 25/09/96 is one of those tricky ones. It's official for the UAE and listed by FIFA as a full international. The Polish F.A., however, does not consider it a full international, and labelled the team as a Polish FA XI, rather than the national team.
What do we do? Leave it aside, or add it as a Non-FIFA for UAE against a Poland XI.
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I take a more democratic approach. If out of the organisations (both teams and FIFA), 2 out of the 3 call it as official, then I'd like to see it on here, but it's up to the editors on here I guess. I respect the trickiness of it all, and bakerrp makes a great point on England Amateur.
Consistency would be the key on this. Which is why I bring up Argentina v Slovakia 1995-06-22, which is now recognised by FIFA and on your site, yet you don't have Argentina v Romania or Argentina v Poland. All three are European league or B sides and all three are now FIFA recognised but not by the Europeans. In my opinion, all three should be on here or none of them should be on here. I vote for the latter, purely because at least one national team did play here and FIFA allow it and a cap has been counted for the players involved, but I respect my opinion might be a simple and naive one.
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Japan v Saudi Arabia 2000-10-29
Missing substitution at half time. Abdulla Zubromawi comes on for Mohammed Al-Khilaiwi. Zubromawi can clearly be seen with his number 4 shirt at 1:06:47. Source: Youtube.
Costa Rica v Saudi Arabia 1999-07-17
Zubromawi does have a cap taken away here though, he doesn't play, as Khamis Al-Owairan plays instead. Source: ksa-team.
Saudi Arabia v Iraq 2004-07-26
Al-Owairan has a cap taken away here as well. Naif Al-Qadi plays instead. Source: ksa-team.
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Kuwait v Saudi Arabia 2009-01-14
Saudi Arabia team completed with ksa-team. I can't find the rest of the Kuwait team.
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Not the complete Iraq team, but help here from 11v11. Once again, 1 or 2 to work out.
