Posts by SiebenW

  • African players corrections & updates.

    Quote from Demetrius

    Miscellaneous:

    Titus Achesa – Shabana FC 2024/25
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    Kenya is the country I am reviewing recently, which I am just about to finish. I wasn't sure about Titus Achesa at Shabana. Sure, we read the articles he was signed by Shabana, but not sure if he actually played. He got injured while playing for Posta in 2023. By this video from march 2026 he hasn't played again since then. Not sure, if the deal felt through and he may stayed at Posta getting a staff position in the meanwhile. Just seen he wasn't in the 25/26 Posta squad.
    Never mind, we (or better said me) shouldn't get lost in too small details. I set the Shabana season as 0/0 as it seems he didn't played at all, see players list.

  • South Sudanese players updates

    Quote from Demetrius

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    3) Correction: Majak Mawith

    2020, 2021: Free Agent/Injured

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    Demetrius like always, I love your post. You are going to leagues we haven't stats, like South Sudan or minor USA & Canada leagues. That makes the player careers much better and give us info which is not easily to find. Great job.

    @all: something general. When I do player careers I am trying to make a continued club trivia from the first time a player made a senior team's matchday squad until he retires, without having missing seasons avoiding gaps in that club trivia.
    In the current case Majak Mawith did play in the national team 2020 & 2021. Some nomination lists still credited him as Port Melbourne Sharks player. I am not too deep in that exact case, just knowing similiar cases from my club when an injured player didn't got a new contract, but kept on training with the team as "free agent", until got signed again in case of one of the two/three contracted keepers got injured. Not entirely sure if this was the case for Majak Mawith. Especially as 2020 season was shortened due to the pandemic. In any case, Majak Mawith didn't got another club in 2020 and 2021. So, to me it's best to keep him with Port Melbourne Sharks by 0 games/0 goals (as we have NPL stats). And then comes the general part, we may could leave a gap for 2020 and 2021 (there may are even clearer cases when a player served a season long ban), but a gap always provokes searching over and over again for which club a player played in that missing years, each time I (or some other user) is taking a look at his club career. As we still have so many incompleted player careers (especially in countries like South Sudan) with gaps for years in which players played for unknown clubs, I prefer the 0/0-season mentioning to make clear that the player didn't play competitive club football that year. And please, that doesn't mean at all that you should search for such cases, we probably won't add them anyway. It just shall explain why I don't want to delete such club affiliations creating gaps again, as I think the 0/0-way makes the players club progress a bit clearer than a gap we never can be sure if it's a real gap or just an unknown club.

  • If you find mistakes (of which there must be a lot)

    Quote from mrfil79

    Carlos Guerra (Carlos Manuel Guerra Alves - Defender) and Carlos Alves (Carlos Manuel Alves - Defender) are very likely the same player. They both appear in the Macau vs Japan WCQ match in 1980, but I have never found a single mention of Carlos Alves anywhere or in any other Macau match. I believe there was likely a mistake in the original reporting, meaning there is a missing player in the Macau line-up. I suspect the missing player is Carlos Peixoto, but without definitive proof, it is perhaps best to leave it, unless anyone else can help solve the mystery?

    Good one. Based on AdM-match report Kwok Wa-Kit was a starter for that match vs Japan. He had been missing in the NFT line-up as the double created Carlos Manuel Guerra Alves entry featured at his place.

  • Olympics from 1948 to 1980

    Something general,

    for which your vidadi.tairov post is a good suggestion. But also this may explains sammy_rogers ' question regarding the 1st topic of his (very helpful) post.

    national-football-team (NFT) was launched in 2004 and since around 2008 decided to do match reports. Which was a great idea and is giving the website so much more information regarding the collected yearly stats we had before without any link to the actual played matches. While having the current matches since then, the webmaster's Benjamin approach is to do the history year-by-year from 2008 backwards. At the moment we are working on 1980. In the beginnings there had been a time also the early historic years from 1872 forward had been filled with match reports. At the moment we are standing at 1923, though the priority should now be working on the 1980 side downwards the 1970s as we still have contemporary witnesses still alive. Meaning for users that match data between 1923 and 1980 is still missing. Though there are certain matches from that time periode already online if an user with database access has taken care about these. That's why Euro final tournaments or some World Cup final tournaments had been online since long. Personally, my focus is on current players and not so much on history, though it's still fun. So, whenever reviewing a certain country I did add several of their historic matches to the NFT system even beyond the year-by-year approach. For several countries doing more historic matches is a real start from Zero sometimes, especially for the countries without prepared squads, when (nearly) every player has to be created, leading to clubs to be created and at the end tracking the yearly club pages farer back to the past. I think Vidadi's suggestion of concentrating on major tournament will help to create at least the most important players. Doing competitive games (WCs, continental qualifiers) first, will also help to determinate the strengths of players used in friendlies, especially whether to decide or not if a friendly should be non-FIFA or left out at all. On the other side, it is easier to get information about more present games like the late 1970s, than early 1960s. That effects especially qualifiers, from which we are not even sure about the year from some 1960s games. So, it may be better to wait until local historicans have worked out something more reliable than we have at the moment. As I don't want to get this post too long, I just start with what we have and what could be a target for the future:

    WORLD CUP
    to me THE competition for national teams. There is no other competition like this and clearly above the 6 continental competitions. That's why the last two years I uploaded also all the qualifiers from 1934 to 1978. What we now miss are the matches of the 1982 WCq played in 1980 from the smaller nations, who haven't been yet done by the year-by-year approach. I think we can be hopeful that until the start of the (centennary) 2030 World Cup qualifying these matches will be online to get finally complete World Cup records.
    Also I want to mention that I did put online the 1928 and 1924 Olympics as the World Cup predecessor, so we have all Olympics before the introduction of the "real" World Cup, even the two editions after 1923, the year NFT stucked with the historic data.

    Oceania Cup
    The youngest confederation. I put also here the 1973 final tournament online, so NFT is complete with the Oceanian Cup history.

    Asian Cup
    Something I worked on recently. The 1980 final tournament is nearly done, still waiting one or two more matches from the smallest countries not yet done by the 1980 year-by-year-approach. I took a bit more care about the past editions. For 1972 and 1976 I put online at least the final match, while the first 4 editions had no final match but round-robin groups. So, I put online the final tournaments from 1956 to 1968 as a whole. Noticing that for 1968 it even gets difficult to find match reports for the final tournament. For qualifiers it will be even trickier. Did the 1956 qualifiers with a few missing info'. I think a few qualifiers will get tough to get sources. So, I may will online work on qualifiers when reviewing a certain country. What may could be done are the 1972 and 1976 final tournaments (even if some match reports will be tricky too), so that at the start of the next final tournament in january we have at least the history of the final tournament. 1980 year-by-year approach should be succeed to have finish the 1980 edition as well until january.

    Euro
    Euro final tournaments as well as the first (1960) edition's entire qualifying had been in the NFT system since long. What I did recently, was to add all historic quarter-finals which had been part of the qualifying before 1980, and I also did the entire qualifying for the 1964 edition which was completely in a knock-out phase. Between 1968 and 1980 it had been played in a group stage which much more matches. 95% of the european squads are prepared. When doing 1964 I just had newly created players for Iceland. So besides having the match reports (which other sites have already as well) there won't be too much new info'. Maybe a task for beginners, should NFT get new people working on the database.

    Africa Cup
    to me the most interesting as I reviewed several african countries the last 3-4 years. I put online all the final tournaments during that time, and also worked much on qualifiers. Though sources are difficult here. And for many games we can be glad to even get scorers or the correct year in the match date. Maybe it's better to wait with the remaining qualifiers, or maybe I start a test project opening a thread we can discuss on the African Cup qualifiers. Or just set the matches. Experienced showed, it goes easier the more NFT have. That's why I did create tournament trees for all the editions these mentioned competitions were played. If we have the tournament, then it's easier to just create the matches, and if we have the matches it's easier to fill them up with match info'. So, let's see where this is going in Africa.

    Copa América
    the most historic competition, and the competition we miss most info'. We had a guy working a bit on Uruguay, but besides that all the tournaments from 1924 to 1979 are nearly empty. Match reports should be available easily, but squads are prepared differently. While we have Brazil prepared from 1930 and Argentina from 1935, Venezuela isn't prepared at all, so plenty of new players have to be created, which on the other site makes it interesting.
    I have taken a closer look on South America before getting the NFT database access, so, I won't take a look at that region again in the near future. While I labeled Euro data for beginner, filling up Copa América could be the advanced beginners class.

    Gold Cup
    is all online being newly formed. Interesting is its predecessor
    CONCACAF championship
    and before the merger into CONCACAF we had
    CCCF championship & NAFC championship
    though the North Americans just played a single edition.
    To me, that's an interesting region as besides the USA and most of Mexico not much is prepared. Something I noticed when doing historic WCq. On the other hand, good sources are starting to pop-up, which leads into having the match reports, at least for the final tournaments with many players to newly create. After setting the tournament years, it was a pleasure to see that the 1946 tournament has been already filled. At the end, it's a hobby for all of us, and everybody should work in the fields he is most interested in. With a few more people actually working on historic data we could progress a little bit faster. In the Euro, Copa América and CONCACAF/CCCF we have much space for improvement. Oceania Cup is done. While Africa Cup and Asian Cup will get interesting.

  • Missing Data

    Many thanks for that one.

    Yes, sure Adnan Hamad had already became coach in 1994. Even though the source wrote عدنان حمد it was surely meant عدنان محمد. It's just one letter, and may some times even shorten. So, it's clear to me the player in doubt was in fact Adnan Mohammed, who by niiiis gave his national team debut in 1996.

    Once more, special thanks for giving sources. I digged a bit deeper into that source and like the two matches your provided also the last match's report Jordan vs Iraq 1996-08-13 was published two days later here. Which was great, as we don't miss too many Iraqian line-ups, and thanks to that I was able to fill up that match, too. Only thing, I couldn't see or either did overskip is the stadium. Can you see if the Jordan vs Iraq match was played in Amman International Stadium as well?

    Hint for all you guys, that Al-Rai online archive may be good to find further missing line-ups of Jordan opponents, at least for home matches.

  • Guinea vs Bermuda 25 March 2024

    Quote from gdiaz

    For this match, Morlaye Sylla's (#2) second goal seems to actually have been scored by Mohamed Bangoura (#3). Sources differ on which of the two scored, but the player with shirt #2 isn't involved in the second goal at all. He's standing on the outside of the box while what appears to be player #3 sends it into the net. Let me know what you guys make of this.

    https://inside.fifa.com/en/watch/guinea-v-bermuda-highlights

    This is a great find. Sources are very good, and we can easily point out the mistake. Corrected.

  • Missing Data

    Quote from OpalRaptor

    Wayne Sobers (Barbados):

    Was at Notre Dame Bayville until 2011 (0 goals in 2009, 2010, 2011)

    Joined Conquerors Barbados in 2011

    Joined Rendezvous in 2013

    Retired age 44/45 after 2013 season ended

    Conqueros was a team from that LIME Pelican Challenge league built up by company sides (we had this topic before) so we stick to his regular club.

  • Missing Data

    Quote from OpalRaptor

    Kokou Avotor (Togo):

    2023/24: 12 appearances and 18 goals for AS OTR Lomé

    2024/25: 5 appearances and 5 goals for AS OTR Lomé

    Sometimes I am really interested in your sources. For example this case. It really comes strange he has played so few games. Did your source count ALL league games he played or just the games he scored? Ignoring the games he played without scoring? Because on NFT we either list the entire match number or we leave them out.
    For example, 12+ matches and 18 goals would be " - / 18 " in our stats.

    A good source about him is here. But also they list just the matches he scored as they don't have complete match reports for all league matches yet.

  • Missing Data

    Quote from OpalRaptor

    Ahmed Haouache (Syria):

    1980: 2 caps 0 goals at the 1980 Olympics

    Played for Al Ittihad Aleppo between 1978 and 1989.

    Club career added.

    Note to cap numbers. This will appear when the 1980 data is entirely online for Syria. NFT (or better Benjamin) is doing the historic data year by year. At the moment we are standing at 1980. Some countries are already done for 1980 (and hence have the cap numbers), other countries (including Syria) are yet to come.

  • Duplicate player

    Quote from gdiaz

    There seem to be 2 profiles for the same player. Leroy Coralie and Leeroy Corallie are 2 different pages for the same person, I believe.

    Yes, it's the same player Leeroy Coralie. I attach the 2014 World Cup squad travelling to Kenya and a 2022 COSAFA Cup game. We see the same guy. So, I merged the 2011 and 2016-2022 player entries into a single one.

    NFT has several duplicated players, so this can get a very long thread. Though we have to be careful for twins and namesakes.

  • 15 October 2010 Netherlands Antilles vs Guyana

    Somehow I believe more in CaribbeanFootballDatabase's match report. They had been the top Caribbean website before merging into GlobalSportsArchive (GSA), see their match report here.

    On the other side Digicel Football sponsoring website had several mistakes. Recalling it was the first try launching such a website giving data for all Caribbean matches. SKNVibes copied the Digicel article entirely, while it also seems that Netherlands Antilles' scorers in Guyana Chronicle were also copied from Digicel.

    So at the end we have two source against each other: Digicel vs CaribbeanFootballDatabase, with CaribbeanFootballDatabase being the more reliable.

    Two more general points:
    First, gdiaz I really love it that you open new threads. This way we can discuss such topics, without everything getting lost in the "If you find mistakes"-thread. Especially when cases are not clear or had been already corrected, like this.
    Second, there is not much double-check here on NFT, so we never know if just the NFT contributor working on the database, just made a "stupid" mistake by scrolling down a player too far crediting an entirely different player the goal, or if there was indeed a different player. So, it's quite difficult to judge for users. What can help are good sources, like local sources or a video tube in which we could see the player (haven't find any of this match on youtube).

  • Missing Data

    Done. Good one.

    A good source for Northern Cyprus is the official federation's website. There you find birthdate and birthplace of players, and since 2011/12 also Süper Lig stats.

    Ertaç Taşkıran:
    player profile
    coach profile

    At the end (may/june) of the 21/22 season he was a (player?) coach for Yeşiltepe Ilgaz SD. Just seen him on the coaching staff, but 3rd tier stats may not be fully comprehensive, so I trust you here. Also I found him for Türk Ocağı Limasol 19/20 as coach only. Nevermind, he came back as a player with confirmed stats later.

    Though it's a bit tricky to get the league stats from the KTFF page as you have to click season by season and count through the matches/goals in order to get out Cup matches and play-off matches. In the past I collected stats for the foreign players, but not for the local players. A major problem, NFT hasn't listed any cap numbers as no cap calculation has been done for any year, so NFT still has players without confirmed cap in the squads for 2004, 2005 and 2006. That may came from the time before 2008, as NFT just started to do match reports around 2008, and before full squads were collected with possible unused subs. Actually, these uncapped players should be deleted, meaning all the 2004 players as there wasn't any full international match that year. Looking at eloratings for possible further games to list, there are three matches.
    2012-06-08 vs Zanzibar
    2018-06-02 vs Tibet
    the later has also line-ups:

    STAT: Queen Elizabeth, Enfield
    HAKEMLER:  John McCallum, Denis Perez, Andrew Parody
    KKTC : Hasan Piro, Çağrı Kıral, Serhan Önet, Ahmet Sönmez, Necati Genç, Ünal Kaya (Dk.59 Adil), Mehmet Altın(Dk.89 Hüseyin), Uğur Gök, Tansel Ekingen (Dk.69 Arif), Fırat Ersalan(Dk.86 Kenan), Halil Turan
    TİBET:  Bhakbu, Sandup, Pema (Dk.84 Loedup), Isewang, Tashi (Dk.65 Norbu), Topgyal (Dk.73 Nyendak), Dhondup, Choepak (Dk.77 Gelek), Yougyal, Dhondeu, Narayan
    GOLLER: Dk.2 ve 65 Halil Turan, Dk.71 Uğur Gök (KKTC), Dk.41 Topgyal (Tibet)

    Though, I am not sure if these are the matches Benjamin wants to have as the competition is quite off-topic. And it's still far away from 2004-2006 to get a cap for the players in doubt to delete if uncapped.
    What could help is the match
    2007-01-24 vs Zanzibar
    though here I just see Hüseyin Amcaoğlu as the scorer. bakerrp & mikaelj do you have line-ups here?
    Would be good to get this one, before starting to delete players.

    So, besides not having much time to focus on Northern Cyprus, that is the main reason players aren't sorted out. But if you want and are interested into you mrfil79 (or anyone else here reading) can check the KTFF page to get player stats counting out the league stats. But for the start, you may focus on players with international matches listed (=confirmed caps), like Ertaç Taşkıran.

  • If you find mistakes (of which there must be a lot)

    Quote from OpalRaptor

    Abedi Pelé Ayew (Ghana):

    1983/84: 18 appearances and 9 goals for FC Zurich

    Not sure what your source is.

    TM doesn't have any stats for him in FC Zürich's 83/84 season.
    By their info' he had a contract, but didn't made any matchday squad for the 1st team in the Swiss top flight league. Maybe he played in the reserve league? Or TM is wrong and you have better sources?

    A better source could be FC Zürich database, but also they list him only as trial player who played in two friendly matches in autumn 1984 (=84/85 season).

    So, these 18 (league) matches and 9 goals seem more like a wiki hoax.

  • Missing Data

    Quote from bakerrp

    Sorry, mistake in above lineup. Darwis came on for Gurning, not Kabo.

    21/09/86 Indonesia 1 Qatar 1 Moodeung, Gwangju

    INDONESIA Ponirin MEKA, SUMARDI, Marzuki NYAKMAD, Abdulrahman GURNING (Robbie DARWIS), Robby MARUANAYA, Zulkarnain LUBIS, Berti TUTUARIMA, Elly IDRIS, Adityo DARMADI (Yonas SAWOR), Ricky YACOBI, Adolf KABO

    Goal: Kabo 68

    Just in terms of perfection, there had been, probably, a typo as Y. Sawor is Yonas Sawor, who NFT already had for this match, as there, probably isn't an unknown player called Yakob Sawor.

  • Missing Data

    Quote from OpalRaptor

    Missing player:

    Wikipedia lists his name as Bengally Sylla, while RSSSF lists his name as Bangally Sylla. Born in 1951 and died in 2013.

    27 caps and 2 goals for Guinea between 1974 and 1981 according to RSSSF. Played in AFCON 1976, 1978, and 1980.

    Played as a left-winger for Hafia FC in Guinea between 1972 and 1982.

    We already have him:

    Bangaly Sylla

    given name spelled with only one L, which is generally the more frequent version of that name.

    I know it can be tricky sometimes to find players when there are different spellings and/or very common names. What you can do for example is to check Guinea 1980 NFT page to take a look at the players for similiar spelled players. All AfCoN final tournaments and all historic matches starting from 1980 are online, so by the info' you already had NFT must have him. More players and more caps to Bengally Sylla will come when NFT works the history backwards, now working at 1980.

    And a side note, I read several times that you wrote a player has played xx matches scoring yy goals in variours saisons or overall in all competitions. That's some nice to know facts which I enjoy reading, but NFT database can't make any use of it as NFT needs appearances stats limited to a specific season AND counting only the proper league. Having accumulated data over two seasons may help when getting one of these two seasons and by doing the maths we'll have the other season as well, but overall data alone is not useable.