After reviewing Bhutan's 2003 matches, I also found photo material of Ugyen Wangchuk to confirm him. Also I can confirm the #3 is Bhim Kumar Chhetri, looking at the photos of 2003 SAFF Championship and 2004 Asian Cup qualifiers (in both he also wore #3), he matches with the player on "the other final" photo. Maybe "Ganesh" is some kind of nickname, or that may was the only point in which the player's memory failed.
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I think Passang's memory must be playing up a bit. Steve Bennett, who refereed this game, has the following as his team list.
Pushpal Chhetri Passang Tshering Karma Yeshey Namgye Dorji Khandu Dorji Sonam Tenzin Pema Sonam Jamtsho Ugyen Dorji Wagyay Dorji Dinesh Chhetri
Subs were Ugyen Wangchuk for Tshering and Bhim Kumar for W. Dorji
Sadly, his team list for Montserrat is incomplete - not sure how that happened! There are only 9 players on it.
Passang's memory is based on the team pic, and there isn't much I can criticize. Even though I am now reviewing Bhutan, I haven't checked yet the historic part. 8 players are looking good to me. 3 I haven't any other photo material to double-check: Karma Yeshi (who is confirmed by the ref's list), Ugyen Wangchuk and Ganesh Chhetri. Kinley Dorji and Jigme Singye seem clear to me on the pic, though they are not on the list. To make it more evident, jersey numbers can be seen on the german wiki match page. These confirm Passang's memory, and we can double-check it on the pic. The only difference here is #3 "Ganesh Chhetri" by memory and "Bhim Kumar Chhetri" by the wiki page. Not entirely sure, but it could be the same like Hemlal Bhattrai = Mon Bahadur Bhattrai, what I mentioned in 2013 as a logical conclussion, and what I know 11 years late was able to prove by tons of pics and docs.
As not all numbers are visible on the team pic, I double-check the video. There is also a part 7 and part 8. I may can spot some more Montserrat players. I haven't done their team pic (as I actually wanted to review Bhutan), but it could be possible (someday). The ref's list is surely disproved, and by having just 9 players for Montserrat quite incomplete.
Maybe you can spot some more entering subs in the videos. For me, it's just the question to merge "Ganesh Chhetri" and "Bhim Kumar Chhetri". -
Saudi Arabia v Algeria 1986-02-21
The 11th Algeria starter here could be Djamel Menad if we believe transfermarkt.
Yes, we believe transfermarkt here. To mention a great local source here we see Menad confirmed. I think that's the kind of missing data which happens when putting matches online and the uploader just forgets something, as the match wasn't set to "partially missing" either. So, good work of yours Ro83rto to spot that one.
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15/06/23 Kuwait 2 Sudan Ol. 1 International, Cairo
KUWAIT (3-5-2) Bader AL SANOUN, Ali Abdel RASOUL, Fahad AL HAJRI, Hassan HAMDAN, Ali KHALAF, Abdullah Ghanim AL FAHAD, Reda HANI, Mubarak AL FANINI, Sultan AL ENEZI, Fawaz AYEDH, Shabib AL KHALDI Sub: Abdullah AMMAR
Goals: al Khaldi 55 (P), 61 (P)
Kuwait expected to play the full Sudan team, but they were away training for their AFCON tie. Sudan turned out the Under-23 side. Sudan's goal was a last minute own goal by Abdullah Ammar. That's about all the details that I've found.
I hit on this match again when looking at Sudan, so I want to set a little reminder for Benjamin here, as I think some action may is required. I see three possibilities to proceed:
1) Delete the match
All Kuwaiti players did play at least one other international match, so there is no national team player's career to be deleted, just the cap number is reduced.
2) Set the "Sudan" national team to "Sudan (Olympic)"
which is a non-editable team, and hence this match isn't listed anymore in the Sudani match list, while it remains for Kuwait who indeed played with their full senior team.
3) Start filling up the Sudan team section with player names
I am a big fan of listing all possible matches. Though I am not sure how much possible this one is. Even if it was planed at some point to bring the full Sudan national team, and some Kuwaiti sources promoted this match beforehand as such, at the end it was the Sudani Olympic team coming. Some of the Sudani players had/will have a later full senior team career, so listing all these players leads to users can make their own decission about that match, seeing all under23 players, many debutants and probably also several "one-timers".
A problem here, we don't have the Sudani line-up (yet) and haven't received any feedback the past year. -
Tricky one that one, as it was an Ecuador Olympic team that faced Iran that day. My guess is now it's been brought up, there's more chance of the whole Ecuador team being erased but the fixture remaining on here, then we are to finding out who 'Encalada', 'Capeo' and 'Claudio' are.
The problem here, the match, which is also important for counting Ali Daei's international goal number correctly was declared as "Full International" even though Ecuador fielded an olympic side. Looking at the cap numbers there aren't too many one-timer international players, in fact most of them had played before (or after) for the (full) national team.
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If the source where the photo of Jarah Al-Ateeqi is correct, they also have a photo of the starting Kuwait lineup here.
Al-Khaldi, Al-Mutawa, Mesaed Neda, Waleed Ali, Al-Ebrahim, Al-Azemi and Yaqoub Al-Taher are all there, but I'm fuzzy on identifying the rest. This makes me believe the starting lineup NFT already has the correct starters, but it looks likely there were more subs.
I took a look at the team pic. I started my Kuwaiti team pic collection by the 2010 World Cup qualifiers, like I did for nearly all countries. But I haven't been a massive collector in my early years, so I haven't had too much Kuwaiti team pics to compare. What I'd say is that the NFT line-up is correct. I can recognize 10 of 11 players without doubt. My only doubt is #3 Hussain Fadhel Ali (who mostly had #4). Can be the angle or the small size. It's not that I see a different player, I just want to mention that I am not 100% sure. But for sure it is not Mohamed Jarragh who normally had #3, so besides he is on your line-up he is surely NOT on the team pic. The other one Jarah Al-Ateeqi is also clearly not on the team pic. Still, we can see him pictured in the source you linked. I concluded he must be a further sub and set him as enterring sub for that match. So, your research did some good here. Starting line-up is confirmed and a further sub is added.
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Another retirement match apparently here as well for Faisal Ibrahim going of his wiki page here. You also have Mohammed Jamal Jarrar down as a starter and a substitute.
Not exactly sure what to do with Faisal Ibrahim, similiar to Abu Zema case. On JFA Basem Fathi is already listed as started and match is labelled as full FIFA fixture.
What I did repair is the Mohammed Jamal case. He is listed as starter on the match report and Alaa Al-Shaqran (who NFT hadn't before) is listed as an entering sub. So, it should be him who entered for Mohammed Jamal. -
Yeah it looks like one to leave for now until new information is found. Thanks for the looking into it.
Just two small fixes here to get to 11 players, both Hasan Abdul-Fatteh and Abdulla Deeb are starters.
Although RSSSF have this game slightly different with Abdulla Deeb scoring the two goals and Amer Deeb starting instead of Mohammed Khamis.
This one makes sense. Finally, and understandble Jordan issue. "A. Deeb" as source concluded to a wrong scorer "Awad Ragheb (Deeb)" has been a common source of mistake. Another stupid one, we had on NFT, Al-Maharmeh had been set as both, starter and entering sub. Everything is now adjusted as by JFA report, also Basem Fathi who had been listed as a 6th sub.
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This one requires a bit of help and comparison with your source as it could be a mix of both. I have the Armenian source here which is the same as yours for Armenia but different for Jordan. The Jordan team translates below:
Feras Abu Obeid (46) / Al Awadat / Ibrahim / Saad / James / Fathi / Haitham Al Shabul (46) / Moayad Abu Keshek (46) / Hasuneh Al Sheikh (46) / Hassan Abdel Fatah (46) / Mahmoud Shelbaya (46)
Substitutions: Amer Shafea (46) / Mustafa Shekhdeh (46) / Abdullah Abu Zema (46) / Anas Al Zboon (46) / Moayad Salim (46) / Badran Al Shagra (46)
Now of course I doubt all 6 subs happened at half time. But one thing I have read is this was apparently Abdulla Abu Zema's last game and was captain for the occasion. There is a photo (the left one) which could be him here but the one on the right seems to show Siraj Al-Tall which backs your source as the Armenian source doesn't mention him. All a bit confusing.
Just tried to work out the differences in the attached pic.
Abu Zema's wiki page writes:Abu Zema officially announced his retirement in playing football on 25 January 2005,[3] at the age of 29, after sustaining an injury.[4] An international friendly match was played between his country Jordan and Armenia on 1 August 2005 in Amman, sponsored by Prince Ali Bin Al-Hussein. After playing the first five minutes of the match, Abu Zema gave the captain armband to his teammate Haitham Al-Shboul as well as his 18 jersey shirt to his younger teammate Hassan Abdel-Fattah and left the field.
Hence he should have been a starter, though it is out of the official procedure that an entering sub (Hassan Abdel-Fattah in this case) uses the same number (#18) as the outgoing player. So, this substitution may was skipped on the match report setting Hassan Abdel-Fattah as starter. The fact that he handed the captain armband to Haitham Al-Shboul backs the armenian line-up you found, as he should have been a starter. On the other side you mentioned Siraj Al-Tall on the pic, so neither source is 100%. Btw the source for the NFT match report was the JFA, though I supose several mistakes in their database, too. Just hard to tell, which players to kick out and which players to keep in.
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I'd lean towards backing the Team Melli report here (same with ESPN and Sky Sports) over the transfermarkt one I believe you may have used. I also have the winning goal clip, which at 0:22 shows in the bottom left of the screen, the Uzbekistan number 2 which I strongly believe is Anzur Ismoilov, who starts instead of Vitaliy Denisov. You have subs correct, but Jasur J. Hasanov is coming off when he's not in the starting lineup. He needs to replace Shavrat Mullajonov who doesn't play.
Good find, I can confirm your observations by the team pic:
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2024 Marianas Cup
Northern Marianas vs Guam 6th april 2024 and 7th april 2024
Same like last year 2023 the Marianas friendlies were played by youth teams. This year explicitely labelled as under-20 competition. I checked both squads and all players were under 20 years old. Not like back in 2022 when they both fielded quite inexperienced youth sides but had at least a few older guys on the field, a bit like an Olympic team which has also over-aged players. So, I understand we count te 2022 matches. Counting the 2024 (but not the 2023) matches seems a bit strange to me. But anyway, the guys who are following me here, know that I am open to list also doubtful/un-official matches (marking them as non-FIFA) and letting the users decide. Especially as Northern Marianas don't have much fixtures. Guam has posted match sheets on their fb page 6th april & 7th april. The Northern Marianas did post pic sets, but no line-ups. I could find their squad list and it was quite the squad of their 2023 Pacific Games participation minus the few older guys being older than 20 years. If you are serious here with counting the 2024 matches as senior internationals I could have a look at the NMI team pics as well, in the meanwhile I leave you the Guam team pics here: -
mikaelj bakerrp
You both did an absolutely amazing job regarding the march international matchday, I can't stop thanking you on behalf of the football fans worldwide.
mikaelj
I really like that you are listing numbers as well. That helps much to track doubtful players, especially when a player is wrong. Also great choice of you to list numbers even if the player can't be identified. The may can be identified later when a photo gallery appears. Occassionally, I found pic galleries for the 2 matches Belize vs Puerto Rico, which I was clicking through to spot entering subs, these are the entering subs I found:
21st march
BLZ
#7 Nahjib Guerra
#19 Jonard Castillo
#23 Owen Sosa
PR
#4 Rodolfo Sulia
#9 Adrián Biaggi
#17 Ian Silva
24th march
BLZ
#11 Moises Hernández (for #8 Warren Moss)
#13 Felix Martinez
#15 Jardehl Muschamp
#17 Izon Gill
PR
#3 Benjamín Donato
#6 Juan O’Neill
#22 Noeh Hernández
These should help to fill your match report.
I also spotted 3 South Sudanese subs in their return leg against São Tomé e Principe:
#6 Joseph Malish
#8 William Gama
#20 Dhata Joseph
To my surprise 2 of these were already set as starters, so double-checking on both starting line-ups I saw that 2024-03-26 South Sudan vs São Tomé e Principe NFT match report was completely fucked up with half of the starters being wrong.
@everybody working on the database: The above info is set correct now, also the line-ups for the match of 2024-03-26 is corrected as seen on the following team pics: -
1985-03-31 Congo vs Zaire
Is on youtube
There are two line-up graphics. If I got it right the first 11 player listed are the starters, at least on the Congo Brazza side as numbers are here not in mathematical order.
Back these days also bench player line-up for the anthem, so we may just can say when the match kicked off. So, if there is anybody willing watching the 1 h (not entirely the whole game is on the video), to verify the starters and may spot some subs (or cards), is mostly welcome.
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DOES ANYBODY HAVE FURTHER MATCH INFOS ON THE CEMAC CUPS?
I have a few more pics on which I can't yet identify all players, especially from 2014 (and 2010), the 2013 edition has already all reports. But maybe someone here has further match infos?
mikaelj do you have some further CEMAC infos?
Sidenode, the CEMAC Cups 2008 and 2009 are not on this side as they have been restricted to local national teams. I know it may could be a bit odd, as also other editions were played by lower strengths national sides, but at least the possibilities of foreign-based players had been open. If we could get all infos of all CEMAC editions the 2008 and 2009 tournaments could be interesting, too, but let's focus us now on the editions we have already on the webside and fill them with as much infos as possibly. -
Every report online I've read on this one has Ibrahim Abdulmajid playing this game instead of Abdulla Madji.
Source: ESPN
Ro83rto I can confirm your observations by the team pic. Good job.
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I´d like you to add the possibility of knowing which are the non fifa matches played by a team. I know you mark them with an X but you cannot do a search to have all of them reunited. Even when you know that one match can be NON FIFA and you do the search with "favorite opponents" the results omit to put the X in the NON Fifa matches. An Example Mauritius -Comoros 2003/09/04 is a non official fifa match. You can see that in the list of 2003 Mauritius (or Comoros) matches, but if you do the research you obtain the list of the matches played between them but not if they are or not official. Can you make something please?
I just want to add the graphics to your example, so that the side owner and the programmer can decide if it's technical possible and if it is wanted.
This is the Mauritius 2003 match list where FIFA/non-FIFA is marked:
But when you check the match lists of games between Mauritius and Comoros you can't see which game was FIFA or non-FIFA. At the moment the graphic view is like this:
kilian If I got you right, your idea is to add a "FIFA/non-FIFA"-column in the "encounters between"-match list, too. So, it would look like this:
To side owner and to programmer. If you want to reform the FIFA/non-FIFA viewing, maybe, there is also the possibility to add such a "FIFA/non-FIFA"-column to the Friendlies-match list. So, it would come clear to the users which game was FIFA and which not. In the different tournament section, I don't see it really necessary. -
An easy visible mistake is a player set as starter AND as entering substitution. After entering subs there is the outgoing player listed in brackets. So, actually you shouldn't see these brackets after any starter. If it does, it means the same player is listed as starter, too. Example:
In this case Alsény Agogo Camara is set twice as starter and as entering sub. His namesake Alsény Cantona Camara was the starter, source and see team pic below:
Besides namesakes, another frequent mistake can be changing the order of incoming and outgoing substitute player, so the starter (and outgoing player) is set by mistake as entering player, too which creates also the brackets with the wrongly suposed to be exchanged player.
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Bahrain v Uzbekistan 2009-06-17
Abdulla Al Marzooqi is sent off after 77 minutes. Also every report I've read has Husain Ali Baba playing instead of Abdulla Baba Fatadi.
Source: ESPN
I believe Husain Ali Baba is incorrectly tagged in this match. It should be Husain Ali Ahmed who comes off for Sayed Hashem Isa.
For the match against Uzbekistan I have a picture which confirms Husain Ali Baba as starting player.
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https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/64481/Erick_Ouma.html
According to these sources Ouma Otieno hasn't made his international debut vs Tanzania (1:1). It actually hapenned 2 days later in the game against Sudan (1:1).
https://www.binzubeiry.co.tz/2016/05/haramb…e-na-taifa.html
I would be carefully here, it always can happen that a substitution such as Erick Ouma for Eric Johanna in the 81' minute (together with a 2nd substitution) goes forgotten/unnoticed. I am quite sure here on NFT are many, many forgotten/unnoticed substitutions as well. I could imagine that this was the case in the match reports of your 1st and 3rd source, not knowing exactly what was their source.
When your 2nd source mentions "The coach handed first team debuts to Gor Mahia youngster Eric ‘Marcelo’ Ouma", it doesn't come clear to me if his starting debut was meant (he was a late sub two days before) or if this article which was a summary of the AfCoN qualifiers preparation did refer to both games in which "The coach handed first team debuts to Gor Mahia youngster Eric ‘Marcelo’ Ouma".
So in general, if we have some sources listing subs and others don't, I would always believe in the subs having took place until we can reliable exclude the possibilities. In this case it would be footage like a video showing Eric Johanna still on the field after 82 minutes, or at best showing the entire 11 players on the field after 82 minutes. -
Ahmed Mohamed Adam 'Al-Basha' is clearly not on the picture, neither I can read his name on the 23 players list for the 2011 Arab Games:
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لاعباً وهم أكرم الهادي سليم ، إيهاب زغبير ، منير الخير ، عبد الحميد السعودي ، عروة إبراهيم ، أمين إبراهيم ، صالح الأمين ، الطاهر حماد ، أنس إبراهيم ، نزار حامد ، فريد محمد ، أحمد عبدالله ضفر ، الطاهر الحاج ، محمد أحمد ، عبداللطيف بويا ، محمد عبدالمنعم عنكبة ، محمد صلاح ، حمزة آدم ، منتصر ربيع ، إبراهيم محمد إبراهيم ، سعيد السعودي ، نصر الدين جوجو ، النعيم محمد عثمان ويشارك منتخبنا في دورة كل الألعاب العربية بالدوحة
So, I decided to kick him out of all 3 matches of the 2011 Arab Games
2011-12-11 vs Libya
2011-12-14 vs Jordan
2011-12-17 vs Palestine
Now looking on the team pic, which I just found today, I hit on #5 as the remaining player. To me he looks like Ahmed Abdallah Adam 'Dufur' who is indeed on the squad list, see his name in bold. So, I corrected the 3 Arab Games matches to his cap list.
