If you find mistakes (of which there must be a lot)

    Indonesia v Liberia 2007-06-30

    Unfortunately it appears it wasn't the George Weah that played here but a different one. Confirmed by the Indonesian report here under the heading 'George Weah' which I've translated below:

    "Regarding the arrival of the Liberia Selection team, it is widely reported that former AC Milan star George Weah will also come and even play against Indonesia. Not to break the hearts of Milanisti across Indonesia, but once confirmed, the incoming George Weah is just a player who happens to have the same name as the legendary player. George Weah is a libero who plays at a Greek club."

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    Uzbekistan v Iran 2012-06-03

    I'd lean towards backing the Team Melli report here (same with ESPN and Sky Sports) over the transfermarkt one I believe you may have used. I also have the winning goal clip, which at 0:22 shows in the bottom left of the screen, the Uzbekistan number 2 which I strongly believe is Anzur Ismoilov, who starts instead of Vitaliy Denisov. You have subs correct, but Jasur J. Hasanov is coming off when he's not in the starting lineup. He needs to replace Shavrat Mullajonov who doesn't play.

    Good find, I can confirm your observations by the team pic:

    To everybody working on the database: CASE IS SOLVED now.

    Jordan v Armenia 2005-08-17

    This one requires a bit of help and comparison with your source as it could be a mix of both. I have the Armenian source here which is the same as yours for Armenia but different for Jordan. The Jordan team translates below:

    Feras Abu Obeid (46) / Al Awadat / Ibrahim / Saad / James / Fathi / Haitham Al Shabul (46) / Moayad Abu Keshek (46) / Hasuneh Al Sheikh (46) / Hassan Abdel Fatah (46) / Mahmoud Shelbaya (46)

    Substitutions: Amer Shafea (46) / Mustafa Shekhdeh (46) / Abdullah Abu Zema (46) / Anas Al Zboon (46) / Moayad Salim (46) / Badran Al Shagra (46)

    Now of course I doubt all 6 subs happened at half time. But one thing I have read is this was apparently Abdulla Abu Zema's last game and was captain for the occasion. There is a photo (the left one) which could be him here but the one on the right seems to show Siraj Al-Tall which backs your source as the Armenian source doesn't mention him. All a bit confusing.

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    Jordan v Armenia 2005-08-17

    This one requires a bit of help and comparison with your source as it could be a mix of both. I have the Armenian source here which is the same as yours for Armenia but different for Jordan. The Jordan team translates below:

    Feras Abu Obeid (46) / Al Awadat / Ibrahim / Saad / James / Fathi / Haitham Al Shabul (46) / Moayad Abu Keshek (46) / Hasuneh Al Sheikh (46) / Hassan Abdel Fatah (46) / Mahmoud Shelbaya (46)

    Substitutions: Amer Shafea (46) / Mustafa Shekhdeh (46) / Abdullah Abu Zema (46) / Anas Al Zboon (46) / Moayad Salim (46) / Badran Al Shagra (46)

    Now of course I doubt all 6 subs happened at half time. But one thing I have read is this was apparently Abdulla Abu Zema's last game and was captain for the occasion. There is a photo (the left one) which could be him here but the one on the right seems to show Siraj Al-Tall which backs your source as the Armenian source doesn't mention him. All a bit confusing.

    Just tried to work out the differences in the attached pic.

    Abu Zema's wiki page writes:

    Quote from SiebenW

    Abu Zema officially announced his retirement in playing football on 25 January 2005,[3] at the age of 29, after sustaining an injury.[4] An international friendly match was played between his country Jordan and Armenia on 1 August 2005 in Amman, sponsored by Prince Ali Bin Al-Hussein. After playing the first five minutes of the match, Abu Zema gave the captain armband to his teammate Haitham Al-Shboul as well as his 18 jersey shirt to his younger teammate Hassan Abdel-Fattah and left the field.

    Hence he should have been a starter, though it is out of the official procedure that an entering sub (Hassan Abdel-Fattah in this case) uses the same number (#18) as the outgoing player. So, this substitution may was skipped on the match report setting Hassan Abdel-Fattah as starter. The fact that he handed the captain armband to Haitham Al-Shboul backs the armenian line-up you found, as he should have been a starter. On the other side you mentioned Siraj Al-Tall on the pic, so neither source is 100%. Btw the source for the NFT match report was the JFA, though I supose several mistakes in their database, too. Just hard to tell, which players to kick out and which players to keep in.

    Quote from SiebenW

    Just tried to work out the differences in the attached pic.

    Abu Zema's wiki page writes:

    Hence he should have been a starter, though it is out of the official procedure that an entering sub (Hassan Abdel-Fattah in this case) uses the same number (#18) as the outgoing player. So, this substitution may was skipped on the match report setting Hassan Abdel-Fattah as starter. The fact that he handed the captain armband to Haitham Al-Shboul backs the armenian line-up you found, as he should have been a starter. On the other side you mentioned Siraj Al-Tall on the pic, so neither source is 100%. Btw the source for the NFT match report was the JFA, though I supose several mistakes in their database, too. Just hard to tell, which players to kick out and which players to keep in.

    Yeah it looks like one to leave for now until new information is found. Thanks for the looking into it.

    Bahrain v Jordan 2007-09-07

    Just two small fixes here to get to 11 players, both Hasan Abdul-Fatteh and Abdulla Deeb are starters.

    Although RSSSF have this game slightly different with Abdulla Deeb scoring the two goals and Amer Deeb starting instead of Mohammed Khamis.

    Edited once, last by Ro83rto (May 31, 2024 at 12:24 AM).

    Quote from SiebenW

    Just tried to work out the differences in the attached pic.

    Abu Zema's wiki page writes:

    Hence he should have been a starter, though it is out of the official procedure that an entering sub (Hassan Abdel-Fattah in this case) uses the same number (#18) as the outgoing player. So, this substitution may was skipped on the match report setting Hassan Abdel-Fattah as starter. The fact that he handed the captain armband to Haitham Al-Shboul backs the armenian line-up you found, as he should have been a starter. On the other side you mentioned Siraj Al-Tall on the pic, so neither source is 100%. Btw the source for the NFT match report was the JFA, though I supose several mistakes in their database, too. Just hard to tell, which players to kick out and which players to keep in.

    Jordan v Iraq 2010-09-16

    Another retirement match apparently here as well for Faisal Ibrahim going of his wiki page here. You also have Mohammed Jamal Jarrar down as a starter and a substitute.

    Quote from Ro83rto

    Yeah it looks like one to leave for now until new information is found. Thanks for the looking into it.

    Bahrain v Jordan 2007-09-07

    Just two small fixes here to get to 11 players, both Hasan Abdul-Fatteh and Abdulla Deeb are starters.

    Although RSSSF have this game slightly different with Abdulla Deeb scoring the two goals and Amer Deeb starting instead of Mohammed Khamis.

    This one makes sense. Finally, and understandble Jordan issue. "A. Deeb" as source concluded to a wrong scorer "Awad Ragheb (Deeb)" has been a common source of mistake. Another stupid one, we had on NFT, Al-Maharmeh had been set as both, starter and entering sub. Everything is now adjusted as by JFA report, also Basem Fathi who had been listed as a 6th sub.

    So, CASE SOLVED.

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    Jordan v Iraq 2010-09-16

    Another retirement match apparently here as well for Faisal Ibrahim going of his wiki page here. You also have Mohammed Jamal Jarrar down as a starter and a substitute.

    Not exactly sure what to do with Faisal Ibrahim, similiar to Abu Zema case. On JFA Basem Fathi is already listed as started and match is labelled as full FIFA fixture.

    What I did repair is the Mohammed Jamal case. He is listed as starter on the match report and Alaa Al-Shaqran (who NFT hadn't before) is listed as an entering sub. So, it should be him who entered for Mohammed Jamal.

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    Not exactly sure what to do with Faisal Ibrahim, similiar to Abu Zema case. On JFA Basem Fathi is already listed as started and match is labelled as full FIFA fixture.

    What I did repair is the Mohammed Jamal case. He is listed as starter on the match report and Alaa Al-Shaqran (who NFT hadn't before) is listed as an entering sub. So, it should be him who entered for Mohammed Jamal.

    Of course, thanks again for looking into it. Apart from a previous enquiry quoted below that may have been missed, I think I'm out of Jordan enquiries for now. Is the JFA database accessible online?

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    Jordan v Iran 2004-09-08

    Every source I've seen including Team Melli has Badran Al-Shagran coming on instead of Hasan Abdul-Fattah Mahrisi.

    Iran v Jordan 2008-08-15

    Hasan Abdul-Fattah Mahrisi gets his cap back here though as the 11th starter. You have Ra'ed Al-Nawateer incorrectly in the starting lineup. I can't help with the subs though.

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    Indonesia v Liberia 2007-06-30

    Unfortunately it appears it wasn't the George Weah that played here but a different one. Confirmed by the Indonesian report here under the heading 'George Weah' which I've translated below:

    "Regarding the arrival of the Liberia Selection team, it is widely reported that former AC Milan star George Weah will also come and even play against Indonesia. Not to break the hearts of Milanisti across Indonesia, but once confirmed, the incoming George Weah is just a player who happens to have the same name as the legendary player. George Weah is a libero who plays at a Greek club."

    Does anybody know anything about this other George Weah?

    There was a big scandal at the time concerning this and several other friendlies with alleged African national sides, Zimbabwe being one if I remember correctly. These matches were arranged for betting purposes without the sanction of the ruling African FAs and a number of players turning out were also not who they were purported to be. This match is definitely not a full international, either FIFA or non-FIFA. If it were to be recognised, then any of us could select 11 of our mates, call them England or Germany or whatever, and claim our games were full internationals.

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    Fahad al Enezi is definitely playing. He's the guy with the very noticeable headband.

    Still wrapping my head around this one, but there are two more alterations I can make. As rogerb confirms, Fahad Al-Enezi is playing and is playing instead of Mesaed Neda Al-Enezi. Mohammed Jarragh is also playing and looks to be the captain, playing instead of Jarah Al-Ateeqi. There are 4 subs that come on for Kuwait, two of which are Khalid Matar and Salah Al-Hendi who you have as starters.

    On Jarah Al-Ateeqi, he gets a cap back here: Kuwait v China 2009-11-08

    Al-Ateeqi is seen in the photo here. He must have been an additional substitute.

    Kuwait v China 08/11/2009

    I have a different Kuwait lineup for this game.

    Mine reads:

    Nawaf AL KHALDI, Mesad NADA, Mohamed JARRAGH, Waled HUSSEIN, Fayaz AL ENEZI, Jarragh AL ATAIQI, Fahad AL EBRAHIM, Talal AL AMER, Abdulla AL BURAIKI, Hussein FADHEL, Badr AL MUTWA Subs: Khaled ALI, Ahmed AL EIDAN, Fahad AL ENEZI, Hamad AL ENEZI, Salah AL HENDI, Talal NAIF

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    Kuwait v China 08/11/2009

    I have a different Kuwait lineup for this game.

    Mine reads:

    Nawaf AL KHALDI, Mesad NADA, Mohamed JARRAGH, Waled HUSSEIN, Fayaz AL ENEZI, Jarragh AL ATAIQI, Fahad AL EBRAHIM, Talal AL AMER, Abdulla AL BURAIKI, Hussein FADHEL, Badr AL MUTWA Subs: Khaled ALI, Ahmed AL EIDAN, Fahad AL ENEZI, Hamad AL ENEZI, Salah AL HENDI, Talal NAIF

    If the source where the photo of Jarah Al-Ateeqi is correct, they also have a photo of the starting Kuwait lineup here.

    Al-Khaldi, Al-Mutawa, Mesaed Neda, Waleed Ali, Al-Ebrahim, Al-Azemi and Yaqoub Al-Taher are all there, but I'm fuzzy on identifying the rest. This makes me believe the starting lineup NFT already has the correct starters, but it looks likely there were more subs.

    Quote from Ro83rto

    If the source where the photo of Jarah Al-Ateeqi is correct, they also have a photo of the starting Kuwait lineup here.

    Al-Khaldi, Al-Mutawa, Mesaed Neda, Waleed Ali, Al-Ebrahim, Al-Azemi and Yaqoub Al-Taher are all there, but I'm fuzzy on identifying the rest. This makes me believe the starting lineup NFT already has the correct starters, but it looks likely there were more subs.

    I took a look at the team pic. I started my Kuwaiti team pic collection by the 2010 World Cup qualifiers, like I did for nearly all countries. But I haven't been a massive collector in my early years, so I haven't had too much Kuwaiti team pics to compare. What I'd say is that the NFT line-up is correct. I can recognize 10 of 11 players without doubt. My only doubt is #3 Hussain Fadhel Ali (who mostly had #4). Can be the angle or the small size. It's not that I see a different player, I just want to mention that I am not 100% sure. But for sure it is not Mohamed Jarragh who normally had #3, so besides he is on your line-up he is surely NOT on the team pic. The other one Jarah Al-Ateeqi is also clearly not on the team pic. Still, we can see him pictured in the source you linked. I concluded he must be a further sub and set him as enterring sub for that match. So, your research did some good here. Starting line-up is confirmed and a further sub is added.

    Edited once, last by SiebenW: Waled Hussain is Walid Ali Hussein Jumah, so he is no line-up difference. (June 14, 2024 at 4:33 PM).

    Quote from SiebenW

    I took a look at the team pic. I started my Kuwaiti team pic collection by the 2010 World Cup qualifiers, like I did for nearly all countries. But I haven't been a massive collector in my early years, so I haven't had too much Kuwaiti team pics to compare. What I'd say is that the NFT line-up is correct. I can recognize 10 of 11 players without doubt. My only doubt is #3 Hussain Fadhel Ali (who mostly had #4). Can be the angle or the small size. It's not that I see a different player, I just want to mention that I am not 100% sure. But for sure it is not Mohamed Jarragh who normally had #3, so besides he is on your line-up he is surely NOT on the team pic. The other one Jarah Al-Ateeqi is also clearly not on the team pic. Still, we can see him pictured in the source you linked. I concluded he must be a further sub and set him as enterring sub for that match. So, your research did some good here. Starting line-up is confirmed and a further sub is added.

    Thanks for the confirmation.

    Quote from Ro83rto

    Still wrapping my head around this one, but there are two more alterations I can make. As rogerb confirms, Fahad Al-Enezi is playing and is playing instead of Mesaed Neda Al-Enezi. Mohammed Jarragh is also playing and looks to be the captain, playing instead of Jarah Al-Ateeqi. There are 4 subs that come on for Kuwait, two of which are Khalid Matar and Salah Al-Hendi who you have as starters.

    Kuwait v Vietnam 2009-05-31

    Slowly getting there with this one. I can at least give you a Kuwait team.

    Starters: 3 Mohammed Jarragh / 40 Shehab Kankone / 15 Abdullah Al-Buraiki / 14 Talal Al-Enezi / 5 Abdulah Msheleh / 7 Fahad Al-Enezi / 19 Hamad Aman / 11 Yousef Naser / 12 Adel Humoud. Number 6 and 17 I still can't get. Number 17 has the ball and hopefully named at 34:48. Number 6 is hopefully named at 36:34.

    Subs: 10 Khaled Matar for 7 Fahad Al-Enezi / 16 for 5 Abdullah Msheleh / 13 for 19 Hamad Aman / 8 Saleh Al-Hendi for 12 Adel Humoud. Numbers 16 and 13 are seen at 1:05:42. I don't know who they are.

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    There was a big scandal at the time concerning this and several other friendlies with alleged African national sides, Zimbabwe being one if I remember correctly. These matches were arranged for betting purposes without the sanction of the ruling African FAs and a number of players turning out were also not who they were purported to be. This match is definitely not a full international, either FIFA or non-FIFA. If it were to be recognised, then any of us could select 11 of our mates, call them England or Germany or whatever, and claim our games were full internationals.

    Okay, so should I delete this one? I am ready to do so, but I'd love some more opinions first.